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	<description>Now back in Vancouver where it sure rains more than I remember</description>
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		<title>By: stefano</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-57211</link>
		<dc:creator>stefano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no contact info that I could find. If you need more contract work, please feel free to contact me.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek K. Miller</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56680</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek K. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ads like these always appear during recessions, and indeed they&#039;re even there during good times -- they just see fewer responses and disappear sooner. I think these employers (a) have no idea what they&#039;re hiring for, or (b) are seeing what they can get for the money, or both.

To be fair, when I was looking through resumes at tech firms during the peak of the last two booms, I was astonished at how many people were shooting for jobs they simply weren&#039;t qualified for, and asking for way too much money. And I&#039;m sure, when techies were scarce, some of them got it. There are weasels on both sides.

When I was freelancing as an editor, I remember crunching the numbers and realizing that, for the most part, if I were to charge less than $40 an hour as an independent contractor doing my own business development and paying my own benefits, expenses, insurance, etc., I would be losing money, and would be better off working minimum wage. So I charged $50 an hour to start, and moved up from there as I got more experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ads like these always appear during recessions, and indeed they&#8217;re even there during good times &#8212; they just see fewer responses and disappear sooner. I think these employers (a) have no idea what they&#8217;re hiring for, or (b) are seeing what they can get for the money, or both.</p>
<p>To be fair, when I was looking through resumes at tech firms during the peak of the last two booms, I was astonished at how many people were shooting for jobs they simply weren&#8217;t qualified for, and asking for way too much money. And I&#8217;m sure, when techies were scarce, some of them got it. There are weasels on both sides.</p>
<p>When I was freelancing as an editor, I remember crunching the numbers and realizing that, for the most part, if I were to charge less than $40 an hour as an independent contractor doing my own business development and paying my own benefits, expenses, insurance, etc., I would be losing money, and would be better off working minimum wage. So I charged $50 an hour to start, and moved up from there as I got more experience.</p>
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		<title>By: bmo</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56671</link>
		<dc:creator>bmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh god, there&#039;s a kernel of long rant in there somewhere for me. but....

...our economy is in the out house for some damn good reasons. One) People in Charge Are Idiots. It&#039;s a hard lesson to learn. We&#039;re told we live in a meritocratic universe. Where all energy serves those that are, at base, competent at what they do. Yeah well somehow the idiots win. And the reason they win? Cunning, guile, shrewdness, duplicity - the life skills that get them by and get them ahead in a parallel universe of their own making. You wouldn&#039;t mind so much if accompanying these qualities were behaviours - though annoying - that might indicate some level of competence in/on area/topic or an ability to be conversant about fundamentals, parameters, concepts - at least - on a given subject. But no. We are fooled. I&#039;d draw an analogy to nature here but I can&#039;t think of one. The hyena comes closest. 

So you are the great lioness...you get the picture. 

As a fellow contractor, i feel you, baby.

I am undercut all the time. More than anything I am saddened. I see a cheap incompetent hired by a tenured hyena. And you know things are just going to be bad. And that&#039;s what bugs you most. Or me. You just say why are you people even bothering. And some piece of garbage is created for the world to ignore. Or be aggravated by. Crap. 

Feh. 

BUT, what you do realize is that there are good clients out there that need your skills. People smart enough to know and admit that they don&#039;t know anything in your area of expertise. They will see you not as a hire but as the contractor you are with your own set of expectations and conditions. 

The angst that overwhelms as each contract nears an end never goes away. You never get use to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh god, there&#8217;s a kernel of long rant in there somewhere for me. but&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;our economy is in the out house for some damn good reasons. One) People in Charge Are Idiots. It&#8217;s a hard lesson to learn. We&#8217;re told we live in a meritocratic universe. Where all energy serves those that are, at base, competent at what they do. Yeah well somehow the idiots win. And the reason they win? Cunning, guile, shrewdness, duplicity &#8211; the life skills that get them by and get them ahead in a parallel universe of their own making. You wouldn&#8217;t mind so much if accompanying these qualities were behaviours &#8211; though annoying &#8211; that might indicate some level of competence in/on area/topic or an ability to be conversant about fundamentals, parameters, concepts &#8211; at least &#8211; on a given subject. But no. We are fooled. I&#8217;d draw an analogy to nature here but I can&#8217;t think of one. The hyena comes closest. </p>
<p>So you are the great lioness&#8230;you get the picture. </p>
<p>As a fellow contractor, i feel you, baby.</p>
<p>I am undercut all the time. More than anything I am saddened. I see a cheap incompetent hired by a tenured hyena. And you know things are just going to be bad. And that&#8217;s what bugs you most. Or me. You just say why are you people even bothering. And some piece of garbage is created for the world to ignore. Or be aggravated by. Crap. </p>
<p>Feh. </p>
<p>BUT, what you do realize is that there are good clients out there that need your skills. People smart enough to know and admit that they don&#8217;t know anything in your area of expertise. They will see you not as a hire but as the contractor you are with your own set of expectations and conditions. </p>
<p>The angst that overwhelms as each contract nears an end never goes away. You never get use to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56660</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently saw an ad for an html/CSS website maintenence person and it required a degree in Computer Science!!! Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently saw an ad for an html/CSS website maintenence person and it required a degree in Computer Science!!! Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: filmgoerjuan</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56659</link>
		<dc:creator>filmgoerjuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right to stick to your principles and not even reply to those kind of job postings. Given what they&#039;re asking for and what they&#039;re offering as compensation, it&#039;s not hard to imagine how lousy and demanding the job itself would be.

BTW, you didn&#039;t mention the best part of that $15/hour job: in addition to experience they also require you to be fluent in Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right to stick to your principles and not even reply to those kind of job postings. Given what they&#8217;re asking for and what they&#8217;re offering as compensation, it&#8217;s not hard to imagine how lousy and demanding the job itself would be.</p>
<p>BTW, you didn&#8217;t mention the best part of that $15/hour job: in addition to experience they also require you to be fluent in Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: A rant on insulting job ads &#124; PHP-Blog.com</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56658</link>
		<dc:creator>A rant on insulting job ads &#124; PHP-Blog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sean Hagen</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56657</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that your decision to avoid such ads is a very good idea. Even without a college/university degree, I wouldn&#039;t take a job advertised like that. 

That&#039;s mostly because I know that any job where they aren&#039;t going to pay you a reasonable salary you aren&#039;t going to be treated well. I&#039;m pretty sure that at a $15/hr MySQL admin, you&#039;d be treated fairly badly.

Keep your chin up though, although lots of big companies may be going down, there may be a startup or four that are still going strong.

Much good karma and well wishing your way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that your decision to avoid such ads is a very good idea. Even without a college/university degree, I wouldn&#8217;t take a job advertised like that. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s mostly because I know that any job where they aren&#8217;t going to pay you a reasonable salary you aren&#8217;t going to be treated well. I&#8217;m pretty sure that at a $15/hr MySQL admin, you&#8217;d be treated fairly badly.</p>
<p>Keep your chin up though, although lots of big companies may be going down, there may be a startup or four that are still going strong.</p>
<p>Much good karma and well wishing your way!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlene</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56655</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine used to recruit for high tech postions at Maxim. Kim went to see her back when she was first looking for work. While she no longer works there, perhaps Maxim might be able to find a suitable position for you? I am with you on not taking a low paying IT job. It is insulting and I agree that employers are taking advantage of the current economic conditions expecting people to work for such low wages all while having good qualifications. If the funds get low and you absolutely must work, it would almost be better to temp in admin work which you are no doubt over qualified for until something better comes along. A friend of mine got a good gig temping for the Vancouver School board in their offices over by 10th and Burrard. She is getting paid about $26 per hour. The BC Teachers Federation is another organization that pays really well. Best of luck in finding a position that you like that pays you what you are worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine used to recruit for high tech postions at Maxim. Kim went to see her back when she was first looking for work. While she no longer works there, perhaps Maxim might be able to find a suitable position for you? I am with you on not taking a low paying IT job. It is insulting and I agree that employers are taking advantage of the current economic conditions expecting people to work for such low wages all while having good qualifications. If the funds get low and you absolutely must work, it would almost be better to temp in admin work which you are no doubt over qualified for until something better comes along. A friend of mine got a good gig temping for the Vancouver School board in their offices over by 10th and Burrard. She is getting paid about $26 per hour. The BC Teachers Federation is another organization that pays really well. Best of luck in finding a position that you like that pays you what you are worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Nahmias</title>
		<link>http://gunson.ca/blog/2009/01/06/a-rant-on-insulting-job-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-56653</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Nahmias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a direct hire MYsql DBA .. Perhaps you can let me know if you are interested... www.searchsolutionscorp.com. Would love to be able to get you what your worth!!!!

Happy New Year to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a direct hire MYsql DBA .. Perhaps you can let me know if you are interested&#8230; <a href="http://www.searchsolutionscorp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.searchsolutionscorp.com</a>. Would love to be able to get you what your worth!!!!</p>
<p>Happy New Year to you.</p>
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